Advice on annular tear and mri results

[Magrego]

thanks for the advice and I am sorry to hear about 3 years of hell for you. I hope your better and if so how does it take to recover to work?



. I guess there are lots of people dealing with similar if not worse conditions. I mean it only took 5 months of undiognosed problems to go from moderate to chronic in no time. its actually quite amazing. I cant imagine going another 3 years with these problems undiognosed.

This is why I posted my findings so that others who dont know about muscles and how serious it could be if you dont treat it. I had mri and have slight disc protrusion in lower spine suggesting it is slowly damaging my spine. I had mris blood test for stis. I was tricked into thinking it was other conditions. I never thought muscles could be so powerful. I started to think about elastic bands rapped around a baloon and if they tighten what happens to this balloon. I realised its possible I have slowly but unpainfully been twisting. until 5 months ago the knots signaled my problems.

My belief is that a lot of spinal damage,hip problems,knee,kneck ect is associated to tight muscles and if untreated it can seem like the spine is the problem. I know people do have other underlying factors other than what I have found to be my problem but its worth considering if u have had accidents or similar symtoms. I have been an athlete on and off. so I think sport adds to muscle tightness and injury making this more possible

I would not consider surgery considering most of my problems may be my knee surgery. I am going to work hard on treatment and excercise.

I would not advice surgery if u can avoid it. there can be complications. Im seeing my doc next week that pin pointed my muscle soreness and hinted my problem. Im sure he knew and didnt wanna freak me out lmao. cos this condition can turn more serious if stress is involved. just took too long to find a good massage therapist. too many doctors have little concern for muscles and triggerpoints causing pain and serious conditions. 1 out of 10 doctors had no idea

cheers magrego

[Maria]

Hooch,
checked out bounce back site.. excellent! I remember now how much the stability ball really helped me. In fact for the longest time it's what I sat at the computer on and then of course doing "core work." Guess I've slacked off quite a bit to have forgotten that!

books I recommend/have:

"Making Your Bad Back Better"with the OConnor Technique
How You Can Become Your Own Chiropractor
Dr.William T. O'Connor, MD

I say it's a good read because of the information it has in it not because I hold it as "word" for everyone's spine or even my own. I've never even been to a chiropractor though seen a number of osteopathic doctors with similar methodology/information. Just an informative read w/some good stuff I think.

"The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook"Your Self-Treatment Guide For Pain Relief
Clair Davies, N.C.T.M.B.

Foreword by David G. Simmons, MD coauthor of Travell & Simmons Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual


Really good read for me at the time I had the most trigger point/myofasical pain work done. Great stuff I thought.



"Fibromyalgia & Chronic Myofascial Pain A Survival Manual"Devin Starlanyl
Mary Ellen Copeland

Again, great information. Very helpful to me as I had lots of myofascial releases done in the past to sustain me before and after surgeries.


I've mentioned these books before I think so I hope no one minds the redundancy. It's been a while (couple of years I think maybe).

[Magrego]

"The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook"

When I read this book it made me wake up. It opened my eyes, It has helped a lot mentally. It helps to understand the reason for your pain and how I can try to rid of the problems or to at least learn to live with it. When a doctor just says to live with it doesn't help much.

I had my spine worked on today and I should have brought some thing to put between my teeth lol. I think my spine is full of knots or it is really bumpy lumpy feeling in the middle of my back. she worked on my spine alot. she is also performing sacrio therapy and she seemed excited to finally feel a shift she said in my lower sacrum part. she had no movement previously. I think because I tried to relax my legs really helped. It was so hard to relax them but I just let go of everything that was hurting inside from my family to my situation. My left but cheek relaxed and I felt it drop. But my stubborn right but wont budge lol seems like alot of tension going on that I never knew I had. The body is good at hiding underlying problems.

I am feeling better just a touch but its only been 3 sessions. I been really focusing on trying to relax my legs and muscles. gettn muscles spasm everywhere even my biceps for 1 minute today. It is not painful the twitches just funny lookn haha I have a few at once and its like they are racing each other.

To be honest it feels so good just to have a good massage therapist that can acknowledge and understand whats happening. I am so much more releaved I am having treatment that isn't damaging me.

The first physio therapist I saw seemed to really damage me when he said he was sliding my discs to get movement. to me it seemed like he was aggravating or damaging me. I am just glad to feel safe when being treated now

I wanted to ask is it normal practice to be pushing on discs?

thanks magrego

[Maria]

Pushing on the discs or the vertebral segments and so the discs.. because that's what I have had much of the time however gently as I am a small person w/known disc probs/surgeries and my weight was like 102 at the time of the surgeries (115 or so now). So the right amount of pressure is used when it's a very experienced person who knows how to work w/each individual.

I don't know if I answered the question you were actually asking... btw I had alot of sacroiliac work done as well as I used to have tons of probs w/sacroiliac joint dysfunction or so all the PTs said when working on me.

Eventually you sort of learn to release yourself .. or it seemed that way to me and I don't know if that's because I have less pain so I carry myself much looser or all the combinations of whatever worked for me so I am much less "tight" and unstable these days.

My L5S1 did autofuse as something like 28 years.. so I think that helped quite abit w/my spine seeming more stable.

[dshobbies]

Just a word of caution - post ADR surgery deep pressure massages should be avoided around that area. I don't know the pressure of trigger point massages but have read on another forum their benefits.

Magrego, have you ever tried meditation? It doesn't have to be anything more than deep relaxation of the body along with the release of all tension. Practicing it daily is quite beneficial for those of us (and everyone else too) who tend to protect ourselves, both mentally and physically, with our poor muscles. Perhaps the two together, trigger point therapy along with meditation will get double the results????

Dale

[Magrego]

ok so it is normal practice. it seemed to make my neck feel like it was cut open 2 days later. i guess this technique was useless on me.

Im glad your feeling more stable these days, having back issues is such a pain the butt. Im actually quite pleased to see you put in a lot of effort to keep yourself going and an inspiration for myself. Im 28 and havnt workd for 3/5 months and need to just get the pain to a level I can sit again. I was lookn at this website Trigger Point Charts

mine seem to be everywhere but especially in middle of back stabbing pain which seems to be preventing me from sitting. anybody else had trouble sitting from trigerpoints. I think if I can focus on releasing that one first might be able to get me back to work faster

I cant wait to be able to work. Im starting to get excessive twitching now. even in my muscle so I ate a bannana and drank water. Is this caused from the massages or that i need to drink more water or is this just a part of getting better. im guessing toxins are goin nuts probably.

Is difficult to bring your central nervous system under control after its been triggered for too long? I dont think my therapist was impressed with my chiro cos I was seeing him for 2 months and all he treated me for was hip alignment.

thanks for the good answers It just helps me evaluate what has happened in the last 5 months or mabe even 10 years. I think this is much more of a mental thing than I thought and seem to be getting closer.

I bought the aeron chair for $1300 . has anybody else had experience on this chair cause its a lot to pay for a chair if it doesnt work for myofascial pain . im guessing the lumbar should help and the tension. I might buy a swiss ball also

thanks magrego

[Magrego]

DS I think your right. I think this could also help my design never thought of meditation only yoga

[Magrego]

Seems the meditation has helped my pain relief. I have finally found a massage therapist that understands my condition ,It has been such a relief to be told it looks like I have chronic myofascial pain. Not sure if I have fibromyalgia. My Psoas and abdominal muscles even pubic area. AlsO my neck muscles seem to be in pain from upper back to lower back.

Myofascial release that made me realize I had chest pain also . Felt like a heart attack when I had it 3 years ago and it went away after 4 days when I use to live in london. It triggered a emotional release where tears came out of my eyes when he released my diaphragm as I had breathing problems due to chronic tightness. I thought it was my heart. Now I relised what I had been dealing with. I believe head on car accident and years of whiplash from other car accidents will bite you even years later.Years of working at a computer and cricket bowling used the same muscles that were used in the car accidents. My therapist believes the twisting action involved in my car accident was very similar to the years of cricket I played after the accident.

My therapist believes my body has stored a lot of trauma and is being released which I felt. This was amazing and have been experiencing better days but I relapsed into what they call a healing crisis. I have been experiencing some radiating and random fleeting pain throughout my body. I started taking muscle relaxers mainly due to muscle twitching.

I can finally see the light as some days I can sit without pain which is very exciting. I walk 45 mins a day although sometimes less depending on the pain. Pain in right foot and knee. Also hip pain also. I stop a have a warm shower that reduced the pain.

I have also stopes eating gluten, sugars, wheat and dairy. Seems to me it was the sugar and possibly wheat but I am not sure at this stage. I also have been focusing on walking with my core even with my eyes closed to be more aware of my body.

I realized life is about balance and being aware of your body. My mind and lifestyle was too fast for my body . I had neglected the pain and continued doing these habits that my job requires. We are still adapting to the evolution of sitting all day. I now use my iphone to do emails or research lying back in a recliner now which helps me reduce the amount of straining when sitting vertically.

I was wondering if the were any doctors in Sydney that know about chronic myofascial pain:/ I just want to have a gp that can help me and manage my condition as I feel I am disabled now and I am 28 who feels my medical system can't help me. The doctors keep neglecting me and saying it's in my head lol. I know I have cmp and no one can tell me except a therapist. In this day and age you really need a gp who understands as well.

Anyway the survival manual is the key to my success so anyone with cmp or fibromyalgia should have one. Also myofascial release is defiantly the best thing I have tried and it's only been 3 or 4 weeks and have noticed my body reversing through the cycle I got the pain. Human body is one amazingly painful and complexity has just astonished my earlier ideas on the human body. Pain moves in diagonals and spirals very hard to track.

Cheers magrego