Advocate For Allowing Americans the New ADRs

[ADR seeker]

To say that the FDA is corrupt is a gross understatement.

To say that the US medical industry is corrupt is another gross understatement.

To say that sick people in the US get treated like customer cash cows is the truth.

Many of us are suffering needlessly due to FDA and medical industry corruption. You are all familiar with the American made Neo Disk and the American made M6 disk. You also know that these two products have been used with great success outside of North America.

You all know that the M6 and the Neo Disk work better than anything available to Americans.

I have been calling the corporate errand boys (congressmen and senators) about FDA corruption regarding the M6 and Neo Disc among other issues and I ask that all of you do the same. Sure, most of them are scum but there are people like Ron Paul, Alan Grayson and Bernie Sanders who are not afraid to tell the truth and call a spade a spade. There may be others who are patriots and who love America and Americans more that the 1% who owns them. The overseers may revolt against their masters.

I would say to any foreign surgeon reading this the following. If you get a greedy American CEO or politician seeking care from you either turn them away or cripple them.

Here is a link to the punks in CONgress. Call their local district numbers and tell them how sick of the FDA and US health care you are. Get the facts and give them a fact enema. Express your contempt for these weasels and their masters.

Here's the link Contacting the Congress: A Citizen's Congressional Directory

[Maria]

I would say to any foreign surgeon reading this the following. If you get a greedy American CEO or politician seeking care from you either turn them away or cripple them.

Somehow I doubt that foreign surgeons are that much different than surgeons in the US in terms of getting paid and wanting referrals esp. of persons that are high ranking or incredibly rich, or notable somehow.

I don't at all mind voicing my opinion/concerns regarding the state of healthcare in the US and how I'm affected by it re contacting congress.

[mmglobal]

The m6 and neodisc are interesting designs. Whether or not they are better than other motion preservation devices remains to be seen.

I have seen many more m6 cervical discs needing explant revisions than I have of any other disc... not by just a little bit. And, this is in spite of the m6 being done in much, much smaller numbers. I like many of the design components, but questions about the materials, longevity, etc... will only be proven with time.

Mark

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Originally Posted by mmglobal

The m6 and neodisc are interesting designs. Whether or not they are better than other motion preservation devices remains to be seen.

I have seen many more m6 cervical discs needing explant revisions than I have of any other disc... not by just a little bit. And, this is in spite of the m6 being done in much, much smaller numbers. I like many of the design components, but questions about the materials, longevity, etc... will only be proven with time.

Mark

They have been proven superior. The M6 implants like a standard ball and socket ADR but once in place it cannot over rotate and it is motion limiting like a real disk. The only thing that can stop a the over rotation of a standard ADR are the facet joints.

The Neo Disc is a simple implant. Any surgeon who can do a ACDF can install a neo disk. Also there is no metal and if you have a titanium allergy they can use ceramic screws. The Neo sounds like the best design.

Both disks are tried and true and there are no valid reasons for why they are not available on American soil.

I spoke with a surgeon who did the clinical trial for the neo and he installed 13 of them. Only one went bad and that was because he used the wrong size.

Because the FDA owns my body I cannot buy a Neo Disk and get it installed. Imagine that. It is unlawful for me to own a chunk of silicone and fabric and allow a doctor to install it in my spine.

These ADRs have the C Mark and that is good enough for me. If the FDA app5oved them and C Mark didn't then they are probably junk like the Depuy hip implant.

I wish I could put a positive spin on this. I can't. It's tyranny.

[Hooch]

Originally Posted by mmglobal

I have seen many more m6 cervical discs needing explant revisions than I have of any other disc... not by just a little bit. And, this is in spite of the m6 being done in much, much smaller numbers. I like many of the design components, but questions about the materials, longevity, etc... will only be proven with time.

What sort of failures, Mark?

[Maria]

I think our healthcare system was better before insurance companies took command of everything (insurance companies and big pharm).

Our healthcare system is screwed most definately though I do not blame the physicians for that.

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Originally Posted by Maria

I think our healthcare system was better before insurance companies took command of everything (insurance companies and big pharm).

Our healthcare system is screwed most definately though I do not blame the physicians for that.

Big pharma funds medical schools and that is why doctor in the US have become pill pushers.

Mostly it the culture. They are greedy and arrogant.

Bad medicine is more lucrative and with the emphasis on managing disease rather than curing it it will be expensive and will not serve the patient. They think of us as customers and we see them as part of a industry that is about the money first and foremost. This is not to say that all American doctors are money grubbing mercenaries but IMO, based on my experience this is how it is.

[ADR seeker]

Originally Posted by Maria

I would say to any foreign surgeon reading this the following. If you get a greedy American CEO or politician seeking care from you either turn them away or cripple them.

Somehow I doubt that foreign surgeons are that much different than surgeons in the US in terms of getting paid and wanting referrals esp. of persons that are high ranking or incredibly rich, or notable somehow.

I don't at all mind voicing my opinion/concerns regarding the state of healthcare in the US and how I'm affected by it re contacting congress.

Orthopedic surgeon in the US top out at 1.3 million a year in salaries alone. US MDs are the the highest paid in the world by far.

America is a greedy country and we exploit disease.

[Maria]

Cash to foreign surgeons for services if insurance does not cover here ....that is if we can afford to and we want the surgery that badly (and not FDA approved or offered here).

So do you know for a fact what surgeons abroad or in other countries make in terms of annual salaries counting their cash pay customers (esp. from other countries/US)?

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Originally Posted by Maria

Cash to foreign surgeons for services if insurance does not cover here ....that is if we can afford to and we want the surgery that badly (and not FDA approved or offered here).

So do you know for a fact what surgeons abroad or in other countries make in terms of annual salaries counting their cash pay customers (esp. from other countries/US)?

On average American MD make 3 times the world average. The next closest country is France and the French have the best health care in the world.

Neurosurgery Salaries
Lowest Reported Average Reported Highest Reported
$354000 $541000 $936000

Gastroenterology Physician Jobs Information - Salaries
Lowest Reported Average Reported Highest Reported
$265000 $349000 $590000

Cardiovascular Surgery Salary Information
Lowest Reported Average Reported Highest Reported
$351108 $558719 $852717

Cardiology Salaries
Lowest Reported Average Reported Highest Reported
$268000 $403000 $811000

Orthopedic Surgery Salary Information
Lowest Reported Average Reported Highest Reported
$228000 $459000 $1352000

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At the low end, the U.S. is the most expensive, but it isn't too far off the mark. At the high end, however, the U.S. is 3 times more expensive than the next closest competitor (Australia) and nearly 18 times the cost of the appendectomy in France.

What conclusions can we draw from today's price exploration? That the U.S. is once again the most expensive country in the world when it comes to health care prices. That the U.S. tends to charge relatively more for both primary care and specialty care. That there is no clear explanation for the difference in prices. Aren't all appendices created equally? Isn't the C-section a well-defined procedure with little variation from one woman to the next? In the United States, prices are not in line with the services provided. It's that simple.