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Old 10-07-2008, 07:16 AM
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Ouch! Just your demonstration looks painful.
One of the problems of feeling good is that you do "stupid" things and then worry that you've messed up the ADR--as I've learned in the 8 months since my surgery (after spending an hour with the phone on my shoulder and my head tilted, concentrating on the conversation with a patient with no thought about my neck, my hand was totally numb).
I'm glad you've already had some improvement and hope this episode passes quickly.
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Old 10-07-2008, 04:31 PM
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Sorry to hear you are in so much pain. Hopefully your theory is accurate and you won't do it again. Neck and lumbar combined is really too much to take.

Thanks for updating us will be good to know for future reference.
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Old 10-07-2008, 09:03 PM
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Mark, sorry to hear of the complications and I do hope all goes well. As we all know there is nothing worse than dealing with pain, especially when it is not expected.
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4 More weeks of PT and things are worse now than before.
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:50 AM
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Mark,

I think you are very wise for not ruling out the neck. Lumbar flexion has affected my neck. And, once the neck starts, the loop continues where the lumbar pain cycle starts. Eventually, the cycle is broken.

Another point that I have learned is that the neck problem does not manifest itself in neck pain all the time. The nerve branches are sensitive to pain, friction, inflammation. But, the spinal cord is not sensitive to pain. I have many episodes where there is no arm pain, but I have C-cord signals. One of my cord signals is the facial symptoms. Another of my C-cord signals is low back episodes, with facet locking, etc. I experiment and find that treating the neck actually resolves the back, and vice versa.

The spine works as a unit, and accordingly the wheel alignment analogy works for me. If the neck wheel is misaligned, the other wheels do get affected. Core strengthening is good; but wear a collar for proper alignment.

Hope your surgery goes well.
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:06 PM
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Hey Mark,

I've just read your post - I'm sorry you're in so much pain and I really hope this episode settles down like the last one did. It just goes to show, that even those who "should" know better, get caught out.

No more flying the grandkids I think !!

Look after yourself,

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Old 10-16-2008, 05:29 AM
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Mark
maybe you should have gotten the prodiscs like me! haha
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Old 10-16-2008, 05:50 PM
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Gary, I'm outting you! We know it's you Mr.Prodisc!
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Old 10-19-2008, 08:03 AM
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Hey Mark,

I am sorry to hear about the crap you are goiung through with with your back. It is my sincerest wish that you have a quick recovery that does not call for additional surgery.

My Uncle up in CT had the total facet arthroplasty system (TFAS) done a couple of months ago. I saw him this past Aug. 08 snd he said that the surgery went very well. I am pretty sure that he had stenosis, with one prior back surgery over 30 years ago. He was moving around really well.

I also wanted to share with the forum my mom's battle with DDD. Hers is very similar to mine, in that we both suffered DDD in the lumbar spine first. She never had surgery in her lumbar spine and has auto-fused at l5-l6.
More importantly, she will be facing a very lengthy 360 fusion. It is unfortunate that she let herself get so bad. I will be with her when she goes in and when she up and about.

The moral of my blather is about timeley attentin to injuries. I will just leave it at that. All the best to everyone,Thelma,
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