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06-19-2011, 09:00 AM
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Chiropractic Before and After Surgery
I was pain free for 5 mos after treatment form an Atlas Orthogonal Chiropractor. I hate MDs with a passion and for many reasons but when it come to the spine I think they are downright sinister and mildly retarded.
A person with a healthy spine can have back pain. A surgery can go fine and the patient can still have back pain. They surgeon scratches his butt and gives you a few dumb looks and some vague answers or maybe accuses you of being a drug seeker. When it comes to the spine and neurology MDs get amnesia. AND when the word subluxation comes up they get really stupid and arrogant. Does the surgeon even look at you standing? Does he check your spinal alignment? Probably not. Does he realize that improper muscle tone can cause pain? God forbid he discuss or even know the meaning of the word orthogonality. That's and chiropractor and engineering term and I don't know if too many MDs can read those books. It would take effort. The body tried to compensate for a subluxation and after surgery the spine is going to get knocked out of alignment if it wasn't already. Most vertebra will go back or try to go back but the atlas can't usually. An out of wack atlas can cause pain all over your body. YouTube - ‪Upper Cervical - Montel Williams‬‏ YouTube - ‪Upper Cervical - Montel Williams‬‏ Watch this video of Montel Williams. MDs told Montel that he had MS. You may even know a few people who were given and MS dx or a firbro myalgia dx when the doctors are clueless. Montel is pain free. There are two points here; Surgeons in the US stink for the most part. It may take something more than the barbarism that is back surgery in the US to fix your problem. OK they did the decompression of the nerve root and the MRI says everything looks good yet you are still in pain. They squirt in some cortisone in the facet joint and nothing good happens. They send you to a clueless PT for 6 weeks of time wasting torture sessions and exercises you can do at home. Your back went bad probably because of some trauma and now it has gone through even more. Your DDD is because of trauma and an improperly functioning spine and there may be no mechanical damage in some cases but there is pain... bad pain. Don't be impressed by the letters MD. I know that a lot of them would like you to believe it means Me Deity but it really means Money Doctor.  When I lived in an area where I could get atlas adjustments I was pain free or close to pain free and off meds. It cost me $25 for the X-rays and $35 for the adjustment/treatment. Cheaper than Oxycontin and safer. If you ask your surgeon (the creep who got paid big bucks and didn't help you or made you worse) about it he will probably put it down or claim he never heard of it. He's heard of it. Gee you are not right after the surgery so it must be the fault of your spine doing mysterious things your surgeon cannot fathom. It certainly was not your surgeon screwing up. (yes it was but God is touchy so don't say it) Get to an Atlas or upper cervical DC even if your problem is lumbar and your surgery was lumbar. Forbes Family Chiropractic, PC - Atlas Orthogonal technique See one before surgery just in case they can get you out of pain until something better comes along like the M6 and the Neo Disk and a surgeon who was trained outside of North America aka the medical third world. 
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06-19-2011, 05:22 PM
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Your post is very generalizing. True, some doctors should not be practicing but others are caring and concerned. Medical science has bounderieswhich are thankfully, constantly being pushed further and further but spine and nerve knowledge is still quite young.
I'm sorry if you had a bad experience. I don't agree with your assessment of the entire medical community.
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3 level Prodisc adr S1-L3, Oct 12, 2005 Dr. B in Bogen, Germany Severe nerve damage in left leg, still working on it
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06-19-2011, 06:16 PM
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ADR seeker, sometimes you make me laugh you are so negative about our doctors. I have to tell you , i have had some bad docs and some bad complications from a world renowned surgeon, but i can't generalize like you do.
 By the way , i did have months of chiropractic care before my first cervical surgery. my chiro sent me with my xray to my spine ortho. My USA trained surgeon did just have me stand in front of him at my last appointment.  He did in January do an amazing surgery on me to fix my fractured neck and kyphosis. It feels great and he is being very cautious with me still in a brace. He does care about me and my other health issues. He consults other specialists about my health concerns. I have had 10 surgeries in the last 4 years, a lot of them spine, # 11 on my foot tomorrow. I feel better and can stand better because of them. I have had a lot of great doctors. a few of them were foreign born, but choose to live and work in this wonderful country of ours.I have not been butchered, just helped. the bad docs i did away with and had to report some. but they are all just people and some are in it for the wrong reasons. Please tell us your story so we can understand where you are coming from. I really want to hear it, maybe we can even help you in some way. I will be laid up with foot surgery after tomorrow and have all the time in the world for you. Please tell, i am serious. Judy
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2007 ACDF 4-7 2008 hip , knee scope, hip replacement 2009 thoracic T-5 thru T-11fusion 2009 VATS T7-8, posterior only T11-12. removal of thoracic hard wear 2010 lung surgery 2010 T2-L2 kyphosis correction 2010 Kyphoplasty T-3, T-4 2011 Cervical osteotomy ,revision C4-T5 2011 Foot surgery 2011 Revision fusion T7 thru L4/laminectomy 2012 Hammertoe correction left foot 2012 Revision fusion T-12 thru L5 2012 Revision fusion L4-L5
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06-19-2011, 08:08 PM
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Read about what the Canadian judicial Mafia did to Dr Kuntz in the 70's because he was implanting artificial disks in the 70's with a 98% success rate. ADR have been around since 1955. Consider this as you ask this question. What diseases have been cured in the past 50 years? Do you really think the medical industry has out best interest at heart. The truth of the matter is, health wise people are worse off today than they were 50 years ago. You may say that there have been advances in cancer treatment but that is not entirely true and the survival rate has only improved by 2% Google medical tourism and read up on that. Find out why close to 2 million Americans go overseas for health care each year. Google health care acquired infections and you will see that the odds of getting one are 1 in 10 and that is based on a voluntary reporting system. Google Peter Pronvonost or Google Pronvonost Protocol. It is a simple way to eliminate most nosocomial infections. Then ask yourself why it is not being implemented and if you are going duh... this does not make sense consider the revenue a hospital gets for keeping a patient for an extra week because their pig stye of a hospital made them sick. Peter Pronvonost is a Noble Prize winner. Google Dr Barbara Starfield and you will read about her AMA study showing that the third leading cause of death in the US is doctors. Dr Starfield is the leading public health physician in the US. How many medication errors does say Walgreens Pharmacy make in a year? Maybe zero but your average hospital pharmacy makes 10 a day! Do you think this is just bad luck? This kind of incompetence is by design. Medical blunders kill a minimum of 400,000 Americans each year and that is based on the 27 states that report medical errors. In reality medical errors in one year kill more American that World War 2 did. Silicone has been around for medical use for at least 50 years and it has proven to be fairly safe and if it is sequestered it is 100% safe. The Neo Disk is mesh and silicone. This is tinker toy technology. The Neo Disk could have been created and used 50 years ago and everyone is acting like it is a miracle. Now I will go off on a tangent a bit and tell you about the AIDS scam. It is a fact that 1% of White people are immune to AIDS/HIV. Are we not being told that there is no vaccine for AIDS because of the way HIV mutates?? People have been cured of HIV/AIDS with bone marrow transplants from doners with HIV immunity. The medical industry is silent as is the mainstream media. You are suffering because you hurt your back and you are not much better of and maybe worse off than when granny hurt her back when it comes to treatment. You are suffering because an industry makes more money keeping people sick. Let's say there was a one time cure for most back problems. That cure would cut the revenue of the back pain industry by 2/3s. The same hold true for AIDS, cancer, arthritis, MS, obesity ect.. I admit it. I am a heretic and I have nothing but contempt for an industry that in my opinion is more corrupt and sinister than the Roman Empire and the Third Riech combined. Other than a rant what's my point? Don't take this lying down. Stop being a sheeple lemming and complain loudly and often. The M6 and Neo Disk are made in the USA and they both received the CE Mark so they are safe and reliable. FDA approval or disapproval is meaningless when it comes to patient safety. There is one word to describe the FDA and most members of the US health care industry and that word is whore.
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06-19-2011, 08:28 PM
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I understand that there are going to be some lousy doctors I mean somebody had to finish last in their medical class but there are not just a few bad ones. If auto mechanics, or plumbers were as bad as these guys they would not be in business. Doctors are the only industry that make even more money when they screw up. They call fusion the "Gold Standard" and they are right.. it really rakes in the gold. In fact it's a gold mine or a cow that when you milk it gives gold milk. Fusion should be a last resort after an ADR has been used. The outcomes of fusion are dismal. Even the industry numbers show that. I advocate for weight loss surgery victims. Gastric bypass is also called the Gold Standard. It is barbaric, unethical and criminal. It kills 1 in 50 but the industry tells "patients" that it kills 1 in 200. That's a lie. There is no regulatory agency that oversee the actions and conduct of MD and hospitals and that is why the US has the worst health care in the industrialized world. They only care about the money. I am not saying all or even most doctors are bad although as a whole they are a greedy and arrogant bunch. I am saying that the system is set up to punish the good ones and reward the bad ones. I, (my alter ego Fat Bastard) have a blog that I will not post the link to here that is a data base and a commentary on US health care. I liken US health care to the holocaust.
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06-20-2011, 01:20 AM
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I don't feel my life is dismal after all the fusions i have going on in my spine. It is truly much better and i was never a candidate for an ADR .
Just curious are there other groups in the US that you are so negative about? Still did not say what your whole spinal issue is. Why with your great knowledge have you not sought out the best country for your health care. Which ones are the tops with the greatest docs in your world.? I'm very curious, judy
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2007 ACDF 4-7 2008 hip , knee scope, hip replacement 2009 thoracic T-5 thru T-11fusion 2009 VATS T7-8, posterior only T11-12. removal of thoracic hard wear 2010 lung surgery 2010 T2-L2 kyphosis correction 2010 Kyphoplasty T-3, T-4 2011 Cervical osteotomy ,revision C4-T5 2011 Foot surgery 2011 Revision fusion T7 thru L4/laminectomy 2012 Hammertoe correction left foot 2012 Revision fusion T-12 thru L5 2012 Revision fusion L4-L5
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06-20-2011, 01:50 AM
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My ADR surgery was in Germany. It left me with severe nerve damage to my left leg which by itself is disabling. I guess I should be blaming the German health care system?
Does our health care system need revision? Could it be better? Of course. Is it profit driven – absolutely, though most of us agree the insurance companies are the main culprit. Does that group the entire community into non-caring egocentric maniacs? Certainly not - and your comparison to a group who maimed, tortured and killed for pleasure and out of hatred is disgusting. Perhaps this is the reaction you're aiming for? I don't know who did what to you but this kind of detestation is unhealthy. I'd be more sympathetic but so far all you've posted were hateful rants. Have you ever considered counseling?
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3 level Prodisc adr S1-L3, Oct 12, 2005 Dr. B in Bogen, Germany Severe nerve damage in left leg, still working on it
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06-20-2011, 02:08 AM
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stenosis foraminal and canal, spur, and DDD from 3-4 to 6-7 with herniation at 5-6 left nerve root compression and cord contacted and indented. I am not sure what country has the best docs but I would guess France, Italy, Germany, Brazil, India and Japan. The MD in the US are for the most part greedy deadly, arrogant and overpaid IMO. For the most part I think the US does most things really well. We have the best military, best space program, OK education, good transportation, ect.. Our agencies that regulate other industries do a decent job IMO. Health care is out of control and the corporate gangsters who are running it are no better than the Nazis or the Islamo-Fascists. In the 60s the US had the best health care. Now we have the worst. The baby boomers and other punks who are running things now are slime. If I saw some 30 million a year big pharma CEO I'd spit in his face.
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06-20-2011, 02:22 AM
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Insurance profits are down and health care profits are up. The insurance companies are not angels but the medical industry is price gouging them too. Billing fraud is rampant and nobody goes to jail. There is a criminal in Florida named Rick Scott. He bought the governorship. Rick's company Colombia HCA was fined 1.7 BILLION for thousands of counts of billing fraud. Scott did not go to jail even though his many crimes were far worse than Maddoff or Ken Lay. I think he's guilty of treason along with many people in the health care industry and I would volunteer for the firing squad jut so long as I could kill them over a week with a BB gun. If anyone should be tortured in Gitmo it is corporate gangsters of medical industry. People who steal from and harm Americans are traitors. They are behind the Medical Holocaust. Last edited by ADR seeker; 06-20-2011 at 02:25 AM.
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06-20-2011, 11:09 PM
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understanding
adr seeker, i think what you are looking for here is some sympathy and empathy. you have these feeling because you're in pain. Please let us all remember that pain makes you think, feel, act differently than you normally would. i hope you find a doctor that can help you. i too am back in chiropratic after surgery and i am barely maintaining. i too have been treated like a drug seeker by a doctor when i made it clear i did'nt want narcotics! i told him that i was still trying to work, but he treated me like a criminal anyway. having said that, i know there are some doctors that still beleive in treating with compasion. please try to not give up.
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female age 45, height 5"6", 145 lbds, non smoker, conservative treatments failed, (7/2007) C4/5/6 peek disc replacements,plate & screws failed fusion, (9/2008) revision with bone replace plate and screws, (10/2009) C3/4 stand alone peek cage, (12/2010) facet joint injections C3-7, (1/2011) rhizotomy C6/7 failed, Trouble swallowing most recent mri (7/2011) shows ajacent level issues: right neural foraminal narrowing C2/3, posterior bulge indents thecal sac at C6/7/T1 no mass effect on cord.
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06-21-2011, 04:00 AM
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I am motivated by more than the pain but the pain is a catalyst. I Dec of 2006 I watched my mother die because a doctor was to lazy to read her chart and gave her a shot of Ativan in her IV. My father was also killed by a medical error. I have been treated like a drug seeker to. The PM doctor wanted me to take 4 oxycontins a day in spite of the fact that I asked for something non opiate for my pain. I wanted a cortisone injection like I had when I lived in NJ. This creep who had an onsite pharmacy wanted me to sign a pain contract and insisted I take the oxys. He told me that I would be drug tested and if I didn't have a level of it in urine or blood he would assume I was selling it. I have an overwhelming urge to beat the snot out of this guy and in hindsight I wish I had. It would have been worth it. He said he would not see me for non compliance. I didn't want to become a junkie but he did. He wanted to put 100 bucks in his pocket every week while covering his but form the feds. Multiply that times 50 patients. Were talking talking top of the line Mercedes. When this first happened I was misdiagnosed. I was then treated like a cash cow and given the wrong PT. I asked about traction. Traction had fallen out of favor in leiu of doing nothing but NSAIDS. In new herniations traction is effective but the doc said it isn't. Now I have multi levels.
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06-21-2011, 07:56 AM
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ADR seeker, stop sugar coating it. Tell us how you REALLY feel. Stop holding back. Well, in all seriousness, sorry to hear your story. Both parents killed by docs. Wow! Never heard such a bad luck story.
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2/26/09 - c4-c7 3 level ADR Prodisc Nova with Dr Bertagnoli. 100% success. 9/22/09 -Dr B opened me up to find a staph infection was eating my vertebrae causing ADR subsidence. Had to remove all 3 ADR's and convert to 3 level fusion. Mostly pain free 2 weeks post op. 9/20/10 - I think I jinxed myself. As soon as I told dr b and dr Sullivan I was doing well (on 6/1/10) I tanked and have experienced the return of pain. My neuro says the new pain is at t4. Last edited by steve55; 06-21-2011 at 08:58 AM.
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06-21-2011, 03:33 PM
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OK- so now we're getting to the crux of it. The truth is there are always going to be good and bad. Over the years, I've heard stories not to dissimiliar to yours. I too have been subjected to less than adaquate care at hospitals. True, some doctors have a take it or leave it attitude, that their way is the only way but there are some really good practitioners out there. We always advise someone to get other opinions and sometimes it can take several doctors to find a good fit.
Some excellent doctors also feel this way. For a surgeon, I'd rather have skill than personality but for a doctor I see more often, I do want someone who's willing to work with me. Still there are some doctors who will do what the patient wants, regardless of benefit, because they're afraid of a lawsuit. So having said all that, you have to ask yourself, do you want only to medicate away the pain or do you want to risk surgery. For spinal surgery, there is no going back. Your spine will forever be altered. BUT - you might find yourself living with less pain and a fuller life when compared to medicating only. If your pain is relatively recent, you might be more willing to take a wait and see attitude while living in pain for a long time can take away too much from your life, which is all you want back. This is a tough decision which only you can do. You can listen to other stories, talk to various doctors, learn as much as you can which you seemingly have already done, and hope you're making the best decision for your circumstances. As for your parents, I can only imagine the horror you experienced - and twice. I am very sorry. We all know this is not a first, nor will it be the last. Even with careful choosing, mistakes can happen. Medical care never comes with any guarantees. All we can do is pay attention and choose carefully. Dale
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3 level Prodisc adr S1-L3, Oct 12, 2005 Dr. B in Bogen, Germany Severe nerve damage in left leg, still working on it
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06-22-2011, 12:41 AM
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ADR seeker,
I am so sorry for the loss of your parents. I cannot imagine that at all. I understand much better where you are coming from now. Can't say i wouldn't be right there with you in the same circumstances. judy
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2007 ACDF 4-7 2008 hip , knee scope, hip replacement 2009 thoracic T-5 thru T-11fusion 2009 VATS T7-8, posterior only T11-12. removal of thoracic hard wear 2010 lung surgery 2010 T2-L2 kyphosis correction 2010 Kyphoplasty T-3, T-4 2011 Cervical osteotomy ,revision C4-T5 2011 Foot surgery 2011 Revision fusion T7 thru L4/laminectomy 2012 Hammertoe correction left foot 2012 Revision fusion T-12 thru L5 2012 Revision fusion L4-L5
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06-22-2011, 09:51 PM
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06-22-2011, 10:52 PM
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American MD collectively pay 2 billion for malpractice insurance but they make an extra 400 billion from medical errors. The lie when they say they worry about getting sued. Mal-Practice lawsuits are very difficult to prove and very expensive for lawyers. Doctors lie through their teeth when they say they practice defensive medicine. The M6 is junk but it's the best junk available next to the NeoDisk which is being touted as a miracle but the fact is the technology to created existed in 1930. My dad went easily. He had a bleed but the doctor said he had anemia. My mother came home and found him lying on the kitchen floor. My mother didn't have it as easy. The ativan put her in a coma and she struggled for 3 days for breath. If we could have sued we would have. Hospitals make 10 medication errors a day. The odds were against my mother and this medication error killed her. She fought hard to stay alive for us. I think she was terrified and on Dec 23rd she left us. We gave the gifts she gave us the the Salvation Army and we found a home for her dog who died a few months later of a broken heart. My best friend went misdiagnosed for gall bladder disease and he endured 3 years of agonizing gall bladder attacks. The told him it was all in his head but anyone looking at him could tell he was sick and dying accept the doctors. They treated him like a crazy person and a drug seeker so his only relief was aspirin. Finally I got him to the right doctor and the redid the gallbladder tests. He not only had gallstone but his gallbladder was now a dead organ in his body killing him. He made it through surgery and began a recover slightly but too much damage was done. He started looking like a holocaust survivor. He was anorexic from the malnutrition. He had a massive stroke and died a few weeks later. Every one of you knows a victim of a serious medical error? How many people do you know with AIDS?
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06-23-2011, 08:42 PM
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ADR seeker,
You sure have had some horror stories . I have a few of my own . I still have found some wonderful caring doctors though. It takes a lot of research at times. What about you ? Are you actively seeking medical treatment for your problem? In this country or other? Obviously you want an ADR or a few. I still feel so badly for all your losses. We just lost a friend do to medical incompetence as well. judy
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2007 ACDF 4-7 2008 hip , knee scope, hip replacement 2009 thoracic T-5 thru T-11fusion 2009 VATS T7-8, posterior only T11-12. removal of thoracic hard wear 2010 lung surgery 2010 T2-L2 kyphosis correction 2010 Kyphoplasty T-3, T-4 2011 Cervical osteotomy ,revision C4-T5 2011 Foot surgery 2011 Revision fusion T7 thru L4/laminectomy 2012 Hammertoe correction left foot 2012 Revision fusion T-12 thru L5 2012 Revision fusion L4-L5
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06-23-2011, 11:40 PM
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by the way
I always knew my head wasn't screwed on straight.
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female age 45, height 5"6", 145 lbds, non smoker, conservative treatments failed, (7/2007) C4/5/6 peek disc replacements,plate & screws failed fusion, (9/2008) revision with bone replace plate and screws, (10/2009) C3/4 stand alone peek cage, (12/2010) facet joint injections C3-7, (1/2011) rhizotomy C6/7 failed, Trouble swallowing most recent mri (7/2011) shows ajacent level issues: right neural foraminal narrowing C2/3, posterior bulge indents thecal sac at C6/7/T1 no mass effect on cord.
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06-24-2011, 04:45 AM
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I think if I had the Neo Disk I'd be better and if that failed they could do a fusion. I asked my chiro what he thought and he thinks that 5-6 is the main culprit. I also got conflicting info on dealing with the osteophytes. U.S. doctors tell you that they will grow back worse if they are removed and others say that is your spine is functioning properly they won't grow back. I really feel like we are in the medical dark ages especially in the US. I guess whatever I do it will be a roll of the dice.
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06-24-2011, 01:48 PM
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go by the symptoms
if i had gone by the symptoms rather than what they looked at the mri and said was my cause i'd be better off. they did fusion on the levels that were not the problem. i know those areas needed something, but my problem has always been c6/7. i told them i was having problems with my forarms and hand and which fingers and it pointed to 6/7 t1 but they did fusion on 4/5/6 because of what they saw in the mri. now i am still not better. they nere even did a discogram or however it spelled to see what levels were causing my pain.
 they did not tell me all of my options for adr vs fusion and at that time i did not have a home computor to research it for myself. clearly adr would have been better for me, the fusion has lead to more ddd from the stress and additional surgeries.
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female age 45, height 5"6", 145 lbds, non smoker, conservative treatments failed, (7/2007) C4/5/6 peek disc replacements,plate & screws failed fusion, (9/2008) revision with bone replace plate and screws, (10/2009) C3/4 stand alone peek cage, (12/2010) facet joint injections C3-7, (1/2011) rhizotomy C6/7 failed, Trouble swallowing most recent mri (7/2011) shows ajacent level issues: right neural foraminal narrowing C2/3, posterior bulge indents thecal sac at C6/7/T1 no mass effect on cord. Last edited by cherylstewart67; 06-24-2011 at 01:50 PM.
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06-24-2011, 05:11 PM
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I go with
Roll of the dice theory.. could come out better, could come out worse .. stay the same.. not likely tho I guess it happens.
If you know what the limitations are here in the US and are pursuing surgery and you know that there are zero guarantees w/outcome of spine surgery so you go into it hoping for better outcome basically. A surgeon can do the surgery for which he or she is trained and perform that surgery perfectly and we can still have rotten results .. here there or anywhere with anything. Maybe less so with one technique or type of surgery over another however I've read plenty of posts from persons that had very bad outcomes even when they used their own $ and went abroad or elsewhere. So failure re spine surgery is not only exclusive to this country and/or the limitations imposed on the medical/surgical practicing surgeons either. I agree that our medical system absolutely is atrocious as it shouldn't really be called "healthcare" any longer rather wealthcare as you gotta have $ to pursue really good care and insurance companies and big biz is what's making the money really not the average surgeon/doctor. Having worked in healthcare my entire career I saw many mistakes made on many levels some of which were minor, some much greater, some fatal. It pays to have a really tight system of checks and balances to catch errors rapidly enough to reverse them although some are not reversible and some are fatal. While I agree with Judy that there are many good/excellent physicians I also think our healthcare system in the US needs a major overall and yesterday.
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06-25-2011, 08:01 AM
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The docs that push fusions are the ones who do fusions. Fusions almost always lead to more DDD and osteo arthritis. That means more surgeries and more money. ADRs were being implanted in 1955. I really suspect that the design for the neo disk has been around for decades.
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06-25-2011, 12:28 PM
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female age 45, height 5"6", 145 lbds, non smoker, conservative treatments failed, (7/2007) C4/5/6 peek disc replacements,plate & screws failed fusion, (9/2008) revision with bone replace plate and screws, (10/2009) C3/4 stand alone peek cage, (12/2010) facet joint injections C3-7, (1/2011) rhizotomy C6/7 failed, Trouble swallowing most recent mri (7/2011) shows ajacent level issues: right neural foraminal narrowing C2/3, posterior bulge indents thecal sac at C6/7/T1 no mass effect on cord.
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06-25-2011, 02:17 PM
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Just remember not all of us are candidates for ADR. I have such low bone density, i never even considered it.
judy
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2007 ACDF 4-7 2008 hip , knee scope, hip replacement 2009 thoracic T-5 thru T-11fusion 2009 VATS T7-8, posterior only T11-12. removal of thoracic hard wear 2010 lung surgery 2010 T2-L2 kyphosis correction 2010 Kyphoplasty T-3, T-4 2011 Cervical osteotomy ,revision C4-T5 2011 Foot surgery 2011 Revision fusion T7 thru L4/laminectomy 2012 Hammertoe correction left foot 2012 Revision fusion T-12 thru L5 2012 Revision fusion L4-L5
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06-25-2011, 11:39 PM
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Black women rarely get osteo porosis and they also have slightly more testosterone than White and Asian women. They also have a lower incidence of mental illness. I am assuming you are peri or post menopuase. If that is the case testosterone will increase your bone density. DO NOT take crap like Boniva and its ugly cousins. It will make your bones thicker but weaker. Find a non money doctor and get some testosterone. You will feel great and your libido will jump into overdrive but more importantly is will increase your bone density and reduce your cancer risks for some cancers such as breast and uterine. If they put you on an anti anxiety drug the testosterone will eliminate the need for that too if your symptoms are hormone related.
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Thanks for the advice. I have been on testosterone for about 5 years now. I have an excellent endocrinologist. I flew from Georgia to So Cal to meet him back when i lived in Georgia. He is the greatest for diagnosing endocrine problems especially those that are out of the ordinary.
I did my research for months to find him. All the endo's I saw in the Atlanta area told me i was fine. I have hypopituitarism and replace many hormones. I also have adrenal insufficiency. I always wonder if the years of untreated endocrine disease created the low bone density. I always drank my milk and take supplements now and every time my vitamin D is checked it is way high. judy
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2007 ACDF 4-7 2008 hip , knee scope, hip replacement 2009 thoracic T-5 thru T-11fusion 2009 VATS T7-8, posterior only T11-12. removal of thoracic hard wear 2010 lung surgery 2010 T2-L2 kyphosis correction 2010 Kyphoplasty T-3, T-4 2011 Cervical osteotomy ,revision C4-T5 2011 Foot surgery 2011 Revision fusion T7 thru L4/laminectomy 2012 Hammertoe correction left foot 2012 Revision fusion T-12 thru L5 2012 Revision fusion L4-L5
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06-26-2011, 03:15 AM
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re osteoporosis
I was put on daily subcutaneous injectable Forteo supposedly for 24 months. I think I may have actually used it correctly for 9 months and up to 15 months not daily but it had such a plastic like odor to it that it would make me ill to smell it so my PCP said to hold my nose while injecting myself .. ummyeahh.. so anyway it got where I was so nauseated before and after the injection I just stopped. I Know this isn't so but I kept thinking it smelled like rat poisening even tho I don't know what that smells like!
I've yet to report my noncompliance to my Rheumatologist (prescribing doctor) altho I did to my PCP who didn't really care when I told her that. I'm about 6 months late to get my BMD testing. Everything got thrown off when I went to Fla when Dad was in the hosp. and passed away and I had to take care of the estate solo. One of these days I'll get back on track with this and I'll inquire about testosterone as well.
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06-26-2011, 04:23 AM
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GPs 40 years ago would have figured it out. It really is tragic that you had to go all the way across the country to get the right medical care and it is even more tragic that over 1 million Americans go overseas each year to get the help they need. I can't believe that the doctors today are as dumb as they act. I hope that the testosterone does the trick and increase your bones. There are other minerals involved in bone growth. Vit K plays a role and vitamin C is also needed for bone growth and maintenance minerals magnesium and fluorine also help bones.
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It was pretty unbelievable to me to fly across the country to meet a doctor . I thought at times before i met him that i was a little insane. I now volunteer at his Tuesday night clinic and each week we have people who have done the same.
Seeing I've been on testosterone for a while, I'm not convinced it will help directly with bone density. I really don't know what could have caused it and continues to lower it every year. Last year i had 3 vertebral compression fractures. Any more ideas ? I don't want to go on the poison  .judy
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My vitamin D levels are always at the high end of the scale and my calcium is in the normal range. It just is a puzzle as to why my bone density is so low. I have always been a milk drinker my whole life . i do need to solve this puzzle before i crumble
judy
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2007 ACDF 4-7 2008 hip , knee scope, hip replacement 2009 thoracic T-5 thru T-11fusion 2009 VATS T7-8, posterior only T11-12. removal of thoracic hard wear 2010 lung surgery 2010 T2-L2 kyphosis correction 2010 Kyphoplasty T-3, T-4 2011 Cervical osteotomy ,revision C4-T5 2011 Foot surgery 2011 Revision fusion T7 thru L4/laminectomy 2012 Hammertoe correction left foot 2012 Revision fusion T-12 thru L5 2012 Revision fusion L4-L5
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Maria,
If it appears in the normal range in my blood, can it still not be absorbed? I thought if i had normal levels it would be absorbed and the normal levels are the proof. judy
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2007 ACDF 4-7 2008 hip , knee scope, hip replacement 2009 thoracic T-5 thru T-11fusion 2009 VATS T7-8, posterior only T11-12. removal of thoracic hard wear 2010 lung surgery 2010 T2-L2 kyphosis correction 2010 Kyphoplasty T-3, T-4 2011 Cervical osteotomy ,revision C4-T5 2011 Foot surgery 2011 Revision fusion T7 thru L4/laminectomy 2012 Hammertoe correction left foot 2012 Revision fusion T-12 thru L5 2012 Revision fusion L4-L5
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