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Old 07-07-2009, 04:32 PM
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Waiting to hear from you runner. I am so sorry for this most unfortunate turn of events. I am curious too.....Doc or insurance drop the ball??
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Old 07-07-2009, 08:38 PM
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Cindylou and DShobbies,

Supposedly, it was my decision to have an ADR or a fusion (AlIF) at L5/S1, but my surgeon called me Sunday and told me he could not do an ADR.
Apparently, the surgery can be much more complicated than i realized with the scar tissue and if I had major complications, other doctors might have to be called in, etc...
The lovely people at you know who decided that i couldn't have an ADR, approved the ALIF reluctantly and told my doctor they would cover nothing related to the surgery if ADR was done. So that was an issue.
I had the hospital bill kind of taken care of and still my doctor was not comfortable doing the ADR.
So my choice came down to ALIF or nothing at all.
I could not undergo a surgery that is not the best surgery, according to my research and my doctor's opinion. Even if ADR and ALIF are comparable at L5/S1, there is still the issue of my SI Joints and the possibility of nonfusion and future surgeries. How could I do something that I may regret later on?

I am really upset, an understatement actually, but I was really caught between what I knew without a doubt was the optimum surgery (even though I could have problems from an ADR surgery, too) and a surgery i did not want if at all possible.

My husband talked to my surgeon Monday morning and the surgery was canceled.

I cannot stop crying. I feel better than i go down again. For whatever reason, my pain levels are way high. I am having trouble sleeping and I feel lousy.
I may lose weight, which is an upside, because my appetite for food is nil. I pray that something will break through, but it may take more than a year to even get approval.
The situation seems hopeless as I cannot work, go to school, drive, plan for the future, etc...
My back for whatever reason has decided it is in constant pain mode. Even laying down doesn't help. I probably will have to go up on pain meds, which i will discuss with the pain doc when i see him in two weeks. Maybe at that time, the back will have calmed down.
When/if I get approval, my doctor will do the ADR surgery.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:45 PM
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Runner,

I had 2 surgeries prior to my ADR and was told scar tissue makes surgery more diffiuclt too. However, in all the posts I've read over the past 4+ years, no one was ever denied and ADR because of scar tissue and I don't recall any post op difficulties blamed on scar tissue.

I have heard of ins. claiming no coverage for complications down the road but again, I can't remember this being an issue, though my memory is not all that reliable anymore.

Sounds like just another denial excuse. So what comes next for you?

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Old 07-11-2009, 10:41 AM
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Dale,

I think you misunderstood me. The surgery wasn't denied because of scar tissue; it was denied because of "no peer-review long-term studies, and not enough people in studies showing long-term effectiveness and safety".
A bunch of BS if you ask me.
It is "investigational," therefore not "medically necessary".

I would love to have one of them blow out a disc.
Last letter, said "replacement of my own disc with a synthetic disc". I don't even think they know what they are talking about.

What's next?
I wait.
I take one day at a time as I deal with increased pain.
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Old 07-11-2009, 04:40 PM
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Same bat time, same bat channel. Kind of makes you understand crimes of passion- rage.

I'm sorry - I also had my surgery cancelled 1 week before I was scheduled and know how you feel. Living is L.A. I was able to tap into my home's equity and went to Germany. I'm still both grateful and angry. What's your next step?
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Old 07-17-2009, 04:29 AM
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Dale,

My next step is to wait.
I have to write my appeal but first I need to finish gathering information.
I think I will get surgery within the year but I don't know for sure what kind it will be. It is more serious of a surgery than I understood, but I know I will be ready for it when I finally have it.
I am really restricted now with the back pain; it is a lot worse than last month and I started getting that pain out of the blue that stops me in my tracks.
I am discouraged, but I am taking one day at a time. Some days are better than others.
I am not giving up hope, I am just very tired and I went up on the pain meds and they are making me tired, too.
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Old 07-18-2009, 12:10 PM
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How you holding up, runner? I have been thinking of you.
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Old 07-28-2009, 11:05 PM
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Cindylou,

Thanks for thinking of me. I am doing ok. Some days better than others. Some days I get almost nothing done.
Seem to be able to stay awake and alert a little more today. The side effects of the pain medication kind of makes me drop off to sleep while on the computer or reading. It is weird and then i usually wake back up and this happens several times a day.
Things are moving along, though. I know one day this time of sleepy days will be a distant memory.
I keep saying prayers for you and others that you feel better each day.
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Old 08-12-2009, 09:41 AM
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How's everyone doing?

I rescheduled my surgery for before the end of the year. I wish it was tomorrow but it is not.
I am in severe pain tonight and didn't do anything out of the ordinary today.
I feel like life sucks right now.
I am trying not to dwell on it.
It is hard to do.
If I could dig the disc out with my own fingernails i would do it.
Gross, but that is how i feel.
Otherwise, things are moving along. I saw my brother today as he has moved back closer to where I live and he asked of course if I was pregnant.
I just typically go out of the house, thinking that most people I meet up with probably think I am pregnant. Maybe that is why they are holding doors open for me?
I am sure I have adhesions which kind of makes another abdominal surgery kind of scary but I cannot continue to live in severe pain and taking medications that swell me up and screw with my memory.
That's all....keeping busy researching.

Runner
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Old 08-18-2009, 04:59 PM
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Hi Runner,
I spent many days in the past thinking of doing the same.. I think the last surgeon did a good job of doing a bad job. Then again my own body has it's own thing it's been doing for years. At this point I wonder how accurate whatever diagnosis made re pain generators would be and if I could truly escape pain surgically and ever be well enough to work again?!!?

I was just looking at wages for RN,MSN,NPs in California and sorely missing the fact that I cannot work and make that kind of salary again let alone just be out in the working world again amongst the world that I once knew and loved (now I'm not so sure as a patient for so many differing body parts).

Sorry to hear you're still in so much pain and I do hope there will be some relief for you so at least you can get out a bit and get some necessary things done. I'm so task oriented that it's a habit to run around and get things done when I have a good day and then of course we all know the kind of day that follows that (or week, weeks...).

take care and thanks for updating us. Hang in there
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